Sidious, whilst having to break through a dimensional barrier, produced enough energy to utterly overwhelm Ahsoka and Ezra - whilst having the time of his life, I might add - and leave them on the ground exhausted, before forcing them to flee with their tails between their legs, and that's without FL or TK. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Milestogogreg. Ahsoka was powerful enough to contend with Vader, who had 80 percent the power of Sidious in his prime. Secondly without augmentation I simply find Dooku to be more skilled then Sidious which allows him to take the win. Dooku can't match Sidious at this stage, but Sidious isn't coming close to stomping Dooku either. I've been holding rank and have been no 1 at payout for a month now. Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JediKnightButler, Mar 5, 2009. This battle HAS to happen. kit fisto blocked a few slices and savage did even better, which is backed up by filoni. Relevance. Obi-Wan would have kept Sidious at bay with his Soresu, weakening him enough until he made several mistakes, then cutting him down. Obi-Wan didn't believe him and refused, resulting in the two being enemies ever since. Sidious also tells Grievous that the war will soon come to an end and when Grievous objects about the loss of Dooku, Sidious replied that his death was a necessary loss and that he'll soon have a new apprentice who is "far younger and more powerful". This played perfectly into Lord Sidious's hands, as he would use his proxy, Snoke, to manipulate the newly christened Kylo Ren into fulfilling his objectives. Sidious is also above Yoda even when still recovering from his duel with Mace, who Dooku even when amped by a Darkside planet was incapable of matching (pretty sure Yoda was still going easy on at the moment to, was conflicted about fighting him … Neither Dooku nor Ashoka are at his level. He may have been the ultimate Sith, but The Ones are ultimate Force-users. Interesting idea, anything backing that up? However, Darth Sidious is a character that is just as equal, if not more powerful than Yoda. This is the perfect fight: Mace's Power vs Dooku's Finesse TFN had a thread a while ago with the same question: http: I don't see how they would lose or especially get "stomped" in universe. And 5 Shards of Sidious only need 400War tokens. yoda wasn't stomping dooku. "You can explain the difference after he's dead." Second of all Jedi Dooku beat Windu when Windu was also not in his prime and that was Legends. ROTS Dooku >> AOTC Dooku >>> Jedi Dooku = Mace Windu >>> Sidious. What do you think would have happened? "I need him alive!" Re: Star Wars EPIII: Could the Jedi Order have defeated Palpatine/Sidi If only Mace would have waited for Obi-Wan and Yoda to … Could Dooku have beaten Anakin? Legends: Sidious should slaughter stomp here since that version of Ahsoka doesn't exist in legends, but I guess if we translate her canon feats to legends than maybe the duo wins but it's doubtful. When Anakin revealed Sidious's identity to Mace Windu, the Jedi Master was understandably filled with righteous indignation. Original trilogy evaded. Before the war started, Dooku told Obi-Wan Kenobi that the Sith … Arguably, Sheev Palpatine is the evilest man in Star Wars. Now overall that would make the team have a win ratio of about 60% which isn't a lot, but it is still a mx difficulty victory. He was merely the most recent and useful utility in his master plan for singular galactic domination. You just need two characters that can both individually not be fodder. Mace thought blankly, Why? Personally, I don't care much for The Ones (which is why don't do discuss them in my threads, or future threads), but they are superior to every mortal. So the end result would either be the … If the Jedi had listened to him, they could have avoided this grisly fate and the fall of the galaxy to authoritarianism. It's a general statement of fact. From the ashes, Palpatine managed to convince the galaxy that it was the Jedi who betrayed him, rendering what few of the Order survived as galactic fugitives. Dooku never challenged him because there would be no point in the battle of two seconds, man how stupid, sidious is nothing, and compared to Dooku, I dont even think Dooku would even need to look to defeat him, he'd just swing ounce and he would die. First off, Vjun amped Dooku couldn't beat Vjun amped Yoda. Though it's possible to defend the previous Empire's actions, this new regime's atrocities are completely inexcusable. Only Windu is a bit debatable but Windu would have to possess skill comfortably above Dooku to not get utterly crapped on by Sidious. 3 Answers. In the Star Wars prequel trilogy, does Count Dooku truly know that the Galactic Republic's Chancellor Palpatine is the alter ego of his own Sith master, Darth Sidious? Could Mace Windu have beaten Dooku in combat? However, instead of waiting for the seekers to arrive, Gora abandoned the infant outside his palace on the edges of the fore… David Zimmerman is a Secondary English Education and English double major from the United States. User Info: D4Thots. Sidious = Yoda >> Dooku. Dooku was able to keep himself from being overwhelmed by Yoda on Geonosis due to his raw technical skill as he certainly isn't an equal to Yoda in force power. I don't even think Luke Skywalker could beat them. Joined: Oct 8, 2003 Location: Kentucky. Man that rediculouse, have any of you even read Dookus file, "...one of the greatest...in lightsaber training" damn your stupid, all of you. That's better then anything Sidious has demonstrated. 1 month ago. As far as Anakin knew, Dooku was the Sith Lord who orchestrated the Clone Wars. After Plagueis had discovered the key to immortality, Palpatine murdered him in his sleep, succeeding his master and rendering his life's work meaningless. Consequently, it would not only result in the deaths of many more innocent people, it would be the demise of Han Solo. Not really, that is why I said arguably as in anti-feats and a quote about his age getting to him in a novel (but that doesn't really mean power decrease). Darth Sidious in the same novel made Dooku feel his age and had him quivering in his boots just from his mere holo presence. I said that directly. He didn't, so he quite clearly never intended for Dooku to be a peer of … Not to mention Anakin trusted and liked Palpatine so much, that he would have had a hard time believing he was a Sith Lord. The oldest and most tenacious adversary to the Jedi Order, he is responsible for not only its eventual destruction but also orchestrating countless other atrocities across the stars. 219 views View 1 Upvoter Depends if Palpatine abuses the force or not. NEXT: Star Wars: 10 Scariest Quotes of Darth Sidious. @emmafrostxmen: I certainly hope you have changed your mind on thinking Ashoka isn't anything but fodder to Sidious. That is a fair point. What would have been an even better plan would be to have both of them take Sidious. Would Dooku tried to take Obi-Wan as a Sith … Amidst the struggle against the Separatists and completely unprepared for the betrayal, nearly the entire order was extinguished, including many training younglings. Would Dooku have shown himself to have just been playing with Obi-Wan and try to have him killed anyway? Additionally I never said Dooku is close to Sidious and I am one of the most consistent people that points out the gap in power between them. Ahsoka contended with Prime Vader, and it's common knowledge that she can beat Dooku at this level. We already have a scene of Ahsoka defending against one of Sidious' force attacks immediately after fighting Maul and Vader, and Dooku should be able to replicate that feat even better based on his performance against Yoda. Palpatine could merely spam lightning( that was strong enough to throw Yoda's lightsaber from his hands and overpower his normal barrier, and even when toying was powerful enough to really push … Before he … Ahsoka gets oneshotted in a blink of an eye, and Dooku isn't soloing. En clair, ce n'est pas un fanatique comme Sidious, c'est plus un politique. You don't need two characters that are "as good" as Sidious which is why I'm confused by your statements. Dooku alone would get mid diffed by Sidious because I'd argue Sidious is 60% more powerful than him. Across George Lucas' trio of prequels, Star Wars fans get to see how Palpatine seized control of the galaxy and formed the Empire ahead of 1977's original movie. team wins 7/10. Vol. I … Maul is a big talker, but its consistent with Dooku earlier line of thinking that suggests Savage or Ventress by his side could take down Sidious. With his master, who was secretly Supreme Chancellor Sheev Palpatine, Dooku conspired to overthrow both the Republic and the Jedi so that the Sith could reclaim their … "That was different—" Mace turned toward the cringing, beaten Sith Lord. He would become the face of the Separatist war effort as they marshaled their strength against the Republic, slowly justifying Palpatine's gradual ascent to power in the Senate. He would become the face of the Separatist war effort as they marshaled their strength against the Republic, slowly justifying Palpatine's gradual ascent to power in the Senate. 1 month ago. I have written about this before, but unless you say that Anakin was massively amped, it makes no sense in conjunction with everything else. Gonzo. Dooku's eyes widened and as Maul pushed the darksaber in Dooku's direction, the old man forced the darksaber into the ground, pushing with all of his strength and outmatching Maul's blade, pushing his entire body backwards. I have no idea why he didn't. #Dooku #Ventress #Palpatine #Starkiller5555So what do you guys think? Lol at her being Fodder. Dooku fut l'héritier d'une famille d'aristocrates et diplomates de Serenno à la fortune colossale (il hérita du titre de comte et de la fortune qui va avec à sa majorité). He is an an award winning screenwriter and an avid consumer of all things pop culture, especially fantasy and science fiction. But he was never able to beat a former Jedi, the one who was his "brother" once, and his Master's Master, idealist, who ultimately got disappointed in the Jedi Council and the Republic, who got twisted by Sidious and became Tyranus. Only Windu is a bit debatable but Windu would have to possess skill comfortably above Dooku to not get utterly crapped on by Sidious. Dooku, however, never fully gives in to the dark side the way the likes of Anakin and Sidious do. Ahsoka would probably get stomped by him in a 1v1, but she isn't fodder. Naturally, Sidious had no actual affection for Skywalker. Its been heavily implied multiple times that Dooku is a dangerous threat to Sidious whenever he obtains help from a lesser character. Even by Sith standard, this villain is sinister. With Dooku dead, the hunt for Grievous becomes a priority for the Republic, and would also be a litmus test into whether Palpatine would give up his … This battle HAS to happen. While Sidious informed Anakin with the abridged details of Darth Plagueis's tragedy, what he did not mention was of who the Sith's apprentice was. Ahsoka is nothing more than a nuisance to him. No.. Dooku may have been a fierce Sith, but he was also Sidious's own disciple, committed to helping him complete his vision for galactic domination. Sheev has betrayed his allies when it has become convenient for him to do so, embodying the darkest tenants of the Sith order. Having lost his lightsaber and been literally disarmed, Sheev unleashed the full extent of his might on Windu, thrusting him out of the window and presumably killing him. "Dooku had at his disposal a Sith holocron. Dooku would lose handily to Yoda and Sidious. He is the main antagonist of Attack of the Clones, a minor … First of all Mace Windu is superior to Darth Sidious in dueling (at least in canon that is) but Sidious is still the more powerful force user. Actually, I think Dooku could have a chance. Obi-Wan successfully beat Darth Maul, a fierce, arrogant Sith warrior, he beat General Grievous, half machine Jedi killing monster. 15 comments. Plus, if he's trained with Sidious, he'll have an understanding of how he fights (yes, I know, Sidious would not have shown all of his skill). Dooku hoped to have Obi-Wan as his Sith apprentice and went as far as to reveal Sidious's existence to convince him to join him. Anonymous. RELATED: 5 Most Powerful Jedi That Would Never Turn to the Dark Side (& 5 Strongest Sith That Would Never Turn to the Light). Star Wars EPIII: Could the Jedi Order have defeated Palpatine/Sidious? also, dooku>TCW maul. Ahsoka dies as a side effect of the lightning clash between the two. He did not state his intentions immediately, instead endearing himself to the young padawan and showing kindness that contrasted the Jedi Council's austerity. Archived [Star Wars] Could Maul and Dooku have redeem themselves like Vader? Canon: Sidious might lose tbh, but he might not. Surprisingly to Sheev's delight, Luke was initially successful in defeating his apprentice. Yoda would have crushed Anakin easily with his Ataru and Force abilities. What's Anakin going to do once evil master is dead. MLGebra. If he wasn't holding back; why or why not? According to the novel, Sidious had told Dooku to hold back, because he wanted to use Anakin to murder Obi-Wan. Il effectua des actions d'éclat au nom de l'ordre, mettant par exemple fin à la menace mandalorienne (il épargna un certain Jango Fett, seul survivant de la bataille). Yoda was clearly his better on Geonosis and Sidious is pretty self-explanatory. 10 Times Yoda Was Actually A Terrible Jedi, MCU: 5 Characters It Improved (& 5 It Got Completely Wrong), 5 Things Comic Book Movies Started To Get Right (And 5 They Keep Getting Wrong), Alien: 10 Major Differences Between The 1979 Film & The Dark Horse Comics, Star Wars: 10 Animated Characters Who Deserve The Live-Action Treatment, 10 Things That Make Zero Sense About The Dark Knight Trilogy, 10 Times Magneto Refused To Learn From His Mistakes, Every Movie With Spider-Man In It, Ranked, 10 Best Original Anime Of The Decade, Ranked According to MyAnimeList, Marvel: 10 Toughest Spells Dr. Lv 5. With the Order crushed and the Republic dissolved, Sidious formed the Empire we've come to fear in the original trilogy. If Dooku had said "Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith Lord named Darth Sidious," Obi-Wan might have been like, "Oh shit, that's actually plausible." I got bored with qgj lead and have been running sid lead with rg, gs, fotp and qgj. Darth Sidious wins this, but it won't be an easy fight. While Palpatine's machinations are complex and patient, the crux of his … His yoda performance was also impressive especially on vjun, with minimal amp he was Driven into retreat “slowly,slowly” in saber duel while yoda was too amped. Later Anakin becomes all three: … [Star Wars] Could Maul and Dooku have redeem themselves like Vader? Turning from the light he once served as a Jedi, Dooku joined the dark side of the Force and became the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith, taking on the name Darth Tyranus and reclaiming his title as the Count of Serenno. You are confusing me with your points honestly. If Yoda had used as much of the Force as we were led to believe he had control over he should have beaten Sidious. March 21, 2016 7:12PM. Rapidly, the child's Force-sensitivity manifested, scaring his father who hated and feared those he dismissed as \"freaks.\" Gora contacted the Jedi Order on Coruscant and told them to come and claim his son. And also Sidious choked Dooku across the galaxy once. Count Dooku is a character and villain from the Star Wars media franchise. Perhaps the single most defining moment in galactic history, Order 66 was an imperative instilled in the clones which turned them against their Jedi allies. He can not.. And BOTH Yoda AND OBI WAN himself SAID SO both in the movie and the book Revenge of the Sith. Could Dooku have gone toe to toe with Sidious, possibly beating him? There is even a deleted scene made by Filoni which portrays Ahsoka blocking Sidious' force lightning....Now we have Maul saying him and Ahsoka can beat him together. This powerful and ancient dark side resource enhanced his own powers and helped to entice other Force users into the Separatist cause." 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